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Brad Cunningham is a Murdering D-Bag (Part One)

Courtney and Teresa✨ Episode 30

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In this chilling true crime podcast episode, we uncover the disturbing story of Bradley Morris Cunningham—a charming, wealthy manipulator whose pattern of abuse left a trail of broken women… and ultimately, murder. 

Before the brutal killing of his fourth wife, Cheryl Keeton, there were warning signs—ignored, dismissed, or hidden behind his polished image. In Part 1 of this two-part series, Storyteller dives deep into Cunningham’s early life, toxic upbringing, and the shocking pattern of domestic violence, coercive control, psychological abuse, and manipulation that defined his relationships. 

From his first marriage to Loni Ann Erickson—marked by escalating abuse and terrifying control—to his calculated relationships with wealthy women and vulnerable partners, Cunningham perfected a cycle: love bombing, isolation, financial exploitation, and terror

You’ll hear how he: 

  •  Manipulated courts and custody battles 
  •  Abused and traumatized his wives and children 
  •  Built a facade of success while hiding financial ruin 
  •  Used charm and intimidation to control everyone around him 


And how one woman—Cheryl Keeton—would tragically pay the ultimate price.
 
This episode is a deep dive into narcissistic abuse, domestic violence warning signs, and the psychology of serial abusers, setting the stage for the horrifying events that unfold in Part 2.
 
⚠️ Listener discretion advised: This episode contains discussions of domestic violence and abuse.

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SPEAKER_00

What's up, everybody, and welcome back to Storyteller, where I try to find the wildest story I can each week. And Teresa hears it all for the first time. I'm Courtney. And I'm Teresa. And do I have a story for you? Well, we're going back to trim crime today after Ona, but it somehow got online. I really that story is cursed, like all the way.

SPEAKER_01

So cursed. Did it actually make it through the download? It did. It did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

But it didn't have video, which is fine. Like, not the end of the world. My God.

SPEAKER_01

Like, no, my story will not be told. I know. I'm like by you, bitches, at least.

SPEAKER_00

Quit being weird. It's a good story. We want to get it out there for people. So yeah. So today we're going back to true crime. And this story has it all. A handsome, wealthy man who always derives Mercedes Benz, a gaggle of women who fell easily for his looks and his even more charming demeanor. By the time he was 39, he would be entering into his fifth marriage. Oh my god. Could not be me. Sounds exhausting. Um, each one of the women had been brilliant, beautiful, and head over heels for him. Like they were hook, lion, and sinker. They all thought um the wife before them had been the problem, harlots that had abused the stunning and caring man that they were rapidly falling in love with. They all believed his stories of horrible women who had come before them until they each stumbled from their respective relationships with him, battered, bruised, stripped of their self-confidence, money, and belongings. But all but one of them, that is, because his fourth wife's severely beaten body would be discovered inside her van on a freeway in Portland. This is the story of Bradley Morris Cunningham and how his fourth wife, Cheryl Keaton, was murdered.

SPEAKER_01

I never heard of him.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

There isn't Does he have does it go by a nickname?

SPEAKER_00

Nope. Okay. He doesn't have like a, yeah. Um, and there's like no 2020s on this man. There's no, I only I'm on a big AMRL kick right now. And by kick I mean I'm like rereading all of the books of hers that I and um if it isn't for her book, I think they did a TV movie about it in the 90s, but I couldn't find it anymore. Like, yeah, so and it's a wild story, so I'm just surprised he doesn't have more um attention on him because it is wild in. So I can't wait. Yeah, um, and this will be two parts. Sorry, I cannot help myself. I want to be chill and just write a quick story, and then I'm like, uh-oh.

SPEAKER_01

It's not your personality, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00

We like the cliff hangings. Yeah, that's good. Well, Bradley Morris Cunningham was born in October 1948 to Rosemary and Stanford Cunningham. Stanford and Rosie had a passionate and deep courtship that seemed, and they seemed to be very much in love. Stanford was known to write Rosie lovey dovey letters during their courtship and early marriage if they ever found themselves apart from each other. Like Stanford was Rosie, oh my god, I love you. Super gooey. Um, yeah, guys. Their first child, Ethel, was born in 1947, and Brad filed in 1948, and then finally a baby sister, Susan, in 1953. The Cunningham children were part Coville Indian, as Rosie was half Coville herself, and her only son would take after her more than his father with beautiful dark hair and bronze skin. Like Brad in high school, I I get it. I get it. Would you date him in high school? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I actually absolutely I date him now.

SPEAKER_00

I would like literally, I think one of my first boyfriends, like, this man looks like him. Somebody I like dated in middle school. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, yeah, I would have been part of the problem for sure. Shortly after Rosie found herself pregnant with Susan, she learned that she had uterine cancer and had to make a decision if she was going to carry the child to term or terminate the pregnancy pregnancy. She had her daughter and then had a full hysterectomy immediately after to rid herself of the cancer. But Rosie was never the same after the surgery. Um, they gave her hormones, of course, but this was in the 50s, so they never were the right doses. And she became completely different, like verbally abusive to her children, as her daughter Susan later said. And she grew a little mustache.

SPEAKER_01

Oh God, you gotta think, especially having that surgery so quickly after having a child. I mean, there's probably that postpartum depression. Yes, that like the hormones couldn't regulate.

SPEAKER_00

And so many different emotions going on. Like, how would you ever get back to normal? Like, so things were not good. But yeah, Susan, I was like, damn, Susie's gonna have to tell people about our little mustache. Rosie wouldn't beat the kids herself, she'd let them know how much trouble they were all in after their father got home. And the Cunningham children would cower in fear until Sanford walked through the door and Rosemary would tell him to beat his children. And he did. Yes. To his credit, you cannot give Stanford very much credit for anything. He sucks. Um, Susan of the Baby said later it seemed almost like he didn't want to do the beating of his children, but he also didn't want to hear Rosie Crow after him. Uh, if he didn't do it, like their night would have been a hellacious fight, I guess, the whole time.

SPEAKER_01

I think I'd rather hear the nagging or the fighting than go and beat my own kids for what I don't even know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, exactly. She could just be pulling shit out of her ass, you know. So, yeah, so um the children were yelled at by day and beaten by night. So things were not great. Um, Stanford had different problems. For his for one, his own mother had been thrown out by his father when he discovered she was pregnant by another man. And Stanford and his brother, who he's very close to, had grown up listening to his father preach about how women should be kept in their place, and if you didn't, they would betray you.

unknown

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Um, yeah, so even though Stanford, like in their early days, was infatuated with Rosie, like deeply ingrained in him was something like women don't really matter. So, and he will, yeah. I I can't remember if I write the story about this, but there comes a time where Stanford's like, yeah, I'm kind of done with Rosie. And like he sends her off to Alaska, I think, to visit her mom. And while she's there, does that bring her back? Well, yeah, he while she's there, he writes these love letters just like he did when they were dating, like, gooey, I miss you so much. I can't stop thinking about you. Well, at the same time, while she's in Alaska, he's cleaning out the house, he's like cleaning out and leaving. Oh wow, or like cleaning out herself. I can't remember which one. So Stanford sucks.

SPEAKER_01

So it is. It's a that whole thing right there, is just you know, because she risked the whole cancer to have the child. So obviously she loves children. So it's just really sad that once again, you know, like the system let down like mental health and absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So women have always had it so terrible. Um, from the time his only son Bradley could comprehend such things, Ranford instilled this belief of how women ain't shit into him as well. So early on, as soon as he can comprehend things, Stanford was like, Let me tell you something. So not great. Um, when he wasn't passing down generational drama, Stanford was spending every penny he made. It was of utmost importance to Stanford that he had the newest and best of everything out there, even if he didn't have the money for it. Um, Stanford always showed up to the family reunions and the nicest new cars, and the ooh and ah from relatives as the family got out of you know, these new cars must have really stuck with Brad. As he too would always insist his entire life of having the best of everything, no matter how much it cost, no matter if there wasn't any money. He always had the best of everything. Um, Brad and Stanford has a special bond, being his only son. Brad was put on this pedestal by his father, and that relationship would last until Stanford's death. Um, Stanford became even more proud of Brad when he started high school and started on the football team. High school for Brad was a great time. He was popular, incredible at football, and as I said, he's he's pretty good looking. Yeah. Um, he dated one girl, Arlene, who was a year older and from a rigid Catholic family. So rigid that when Arlene disappeared from school her senior year, no one bought the family's story that they had just sent her away to get her away from the toxic relationship with Brad. No, it was the worst kept secret around town that Arlene had been sent away to have Brad's baby. I was gonna say she was pregnant. Um, if this truly is what happened, no one ever informed Brad of his first child.

SPEAKER_01

Like Brad doesn't know if that did they always send him away because of mono?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, is that what it was? Yeah, mono. I didn't know that was what I just thought they were always going to live with an aunt or something. So if this, yeah, Brad, um, when he was a senior in 1967, he started dating um a woman named Lonnie Ann Erickson, and that's not her real name. It's changed in the book. I did find her real name, and I didn't change it because she, I think if she's still alive and everything, she's still terrified of this man. So I'm like, I won't change years. Is this man still alive?

SPEAKER_01

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Um, so she was adorable, petite sophomore. She was crazy about Brad and couldn't believe her luck that this burly, huge football star senior, even took notice of her, let alone wanted to date her. She was like, I am living the dream. When Brad went to the University of Washington for college and to play football, he still dated Lonnie Ann when he was at home, and she couldn't believe her luck that the dashing college football star still wanted her. Lonnie honey, it's not going good. Um, then Lonnie Ann was a senior, when she was a senior in February 1969, she missed her period. Lonnie Ann was also from a strict Catholic family, and Brad agreed to marry her, and they did so the following month. Oh, so she didn't get sent away with Fondo. No. She got shotgun married. Yeah. Um, they got married the following month in March, um, in a small formal ceremony that Brad already showing the signs of being a perfectionist, planned down to the minute. Like, oh, that was his wedding, huh? It's so funny. My day. Yes, he's like picking out linens and stuff. Like, I wow. Lonnie Ann apparently embarrassed Brad during his carefully coordinated reception as they were about to leave when she threw the bouquet and it got stuck in some telephone lines outside the hall. Damn, what an arm. Yeah. Telephone lines are pretty high up. Damn, girl, she's got an arm on her. Yeah. He was furious though. And Lonnie's like, that wasn't. I didn't mean to. It was someone give me a broom. No damn. And so she was, you know, she just over and over, I'm so so sorry. I'm so sorry. And he finally told her to forget it. They moved on. Other than that, hiccup, the first few months of marriage were actually really great for Lonnie Ann and Brad. Their daughter, Kate, was born in 18, um, October 1969, and the trouble started almost immediately after her arrival in the Cunningham marriage. So Brad kept it together for like six months before he yeah. Um, it started with verbal abuse. Brad would frequently call her stupid, and then it escalated to pushing, shoving, and split lips for Lonnie Ann. By this time, Brad worked at a strip club in the city as a bouncer, and he started to force Lonnie Ann to dress like the strippers. Dresses so short that they barely covered her ass, or so small that her her bubbies were popping out the top. And like there was one time that she went to visit Brad's mom with the new baby. Oh my god. Yes, and Rosie was like, Hey, I can see your whole ass when you pick up the kid. And Lonnie Ann's like, I'm so sorry, I don't want to wear this, but Brad's making me like, yeah. So what the fuck? Yeah. Um, things are not going well for Lonnie Ann as a married woman. And by the time she gave birth to their son, Brent, in December of 1970, Lonnie Ann had little, if any, freedoms left. Brad would not allow her to use the car. So she had to walk to the grocery store with a toddler and an infant. But before she left the house at any time, she had to call Brad to give him exact times of when she would be back, where she was going, which is really fucking hard when you're wrangling an infant and a toddler and walking on.

SPEAKER_01

And going to the grocery store. So on like even if you manage on the way there on the way back, now you have groceries.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. What a nightmare. So how many how much groceries were you actually able to get? So yeah. Um, but she tried because if Brad called the house and Lonnie Ann didn't answer, all hell would break loose. He would literally leave his daytime insurance agent job to come home and beat her ass up if she didn't answer the telephone. So Brad's already very cool. Um, then they came the incident on Memorial Day 1971. Brad and Lonnie um went to a party, and Lonnie had a couple drinks, which she's very tiny and probably doesn't drink a lot because she's taking care of two very small children. And so even the very few drinks that she had loosens her tongue and she confesses secretly, she thought, to a friend about the abuse inflicted on her by Brad. But either she was being too loud because she didn't know how the alcohol was affecting her, or however it happened, Brad overheard. And Lonnie had just broken the golden rule don't talk about what goes on at home for Brad. Like, don't tell people how I really am. I do believe that whole don't air your dirty laundry.

SPEAKER_01

But if your dirty laundry involves you being beaten and abused and stuff, Eric, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like then Eric. Yeah. So um he abruptly pulled her out of this party. And the next thing Lonnie remembers is waking up in pitch black. She would feel around here and realize she was outside somewhere. She didn't know where. She didn't remember anything from the time he was dragging her out of the party. Lonnie began to feel her way through the dark, crawling in front of her. Uh, you know, just trying to feel anything as to, you know, all she could feel is like there's some weeds. I'm on gravel, you know. Um, thankfully, she started crawling to the side of her. Um, and she kept crawling until she she saw some lights way in the distance. Um, it was miles away, but eventually would make it all the way to the um gas station and call the police, who took her to Brad's parents' house. Um, he wouldn't retrieve her till the next day, refusing to speak to her. Because Lonnie Anna was like dumped her out in the woods somewhere, basically. Yeah. Because Lonnie Anna was never allowed to drive their car, it would be five months before Lonnie was able to drive to the area where she had woken up. Like she had been thinking about a lot. She really wanted to know. What she saw there horrified her. Retracing her steps, or when she was just crawling, she found the exact spot where she had woken up and saw that inches away from the um she had woken up in front of her. If she hadn't gone this way in front of her, was the edge of a cliff above a river.

SPEAKER_01

Oh.

SPEAKER_00

So Mans was trying to get rid of her. So he was just hoping he'd be free. Yes. So her body would be taken downstream. And she would, he'd be like, Yeah, she got drunk and wandered off. Yeah. So he's awful and does awful things, but there's some things that this man does not get away with. And it's always like, I hate you, but thank God you didn't get away with a little silver lining there. So um, yeah, if Lonnie and Ann had crawled forward that night, it would have been all over for her. Lonnie Ann finally got up the courage to leave Brad, something that took her a long time, um, you know, to work out and figure out how she was going to do. Um, he had, after all, called her stupid daily and beat her often and told her that if she left, she'd never see her kids again. But when the divorce was finalized in May of 1973, Brad said she could have the kids. Yeah. But it wasn't long before Brad decided he did want the kids. Probably after he got his first notice for child support in the mail. Probably when he was like, wait, I had to pay for that. Yeah, that's bullshit. So Brad did what we will learn. Brad does best. He got married to a recently divorced, wealthy woman, 15 years her, um, his senior named Cynthia. Again, not her real name, but that's okay. And he promptly filed for custody of Brent and Kate. So he was like, I'm not going through this without being married and having this financial backing, essentially. Um, Brad did not love Cynthia. Um, and he thought her status and wealth would help him in his custody matters. Um, I should note here, I'll probably link it. Not that I want anyone to give this man money, but he did write a book, Brad does, after all of this, after Anne Rules came out, and it's basically saying what a friggin' liar. The title is like Anne Rule liar or something stupid. Um, and really, like all the chapters are just I only read a snippet, like a you know, a cut the first couple chapters, because again, I was like, if this any of this money goes to this man, I don't want him to have it.

SPEAKER_01

I just didn't think that's a law that's a lot of things. Yeah, the slayer law. Yeah. So your crimes, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So, but it's different from state to state. So I was like, I am not giving you my four dollars for this ebook. But the whole thing was just like how incredible he was and um all the stuff he owned. And we got to this uh the chapter with Cynthia, which is multiple chapters. He just wrote chapter after chapter about what how she got him into being a swinger and how she was very sexually active and all of this stuff. I didn't meet Cynthia. I don't know. It didn't say in Anne rules or in his. So I'm I have no idea. But the yeah, the chapters, I mean, it was like three chapters about him, him and Cynthia were swingers, and I don't know if any of it's true, but I am like I had to skip over it because I was like, oh, this is porn. This is this is the guy who is like going into detail of theirs.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, it's bad porn because it's not Elvish porn. Is that no? I don't understand. How dare you?

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

SPEAKER_01

Swinging hearing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, no, yeah. So again, yeah, he didn't love her, but he needed her uh for custody and apparently to be a swinger. Again, don't know if that's true, but waiting for the hearing, Brad sat out about harassing Lonnie Ann's roommates because she didn't have any money. She had to live with roommates, you know, not the end of the world. Yeah. He would say that he they would um he would pay them if they said Lonnie Ann was a bad mother. He even tried to bribe his little sister Susan to say that Lonnie Ann was a whore and a bad mother on the stand. When the custody hearing finally happened, Brad, in his tailored three-piece suit, showed up to court with a lawyer his new wife was paying for, confident that he'd have custody of the children in no time. But as the hearing went on and Brad's own family members were put on the stand, it was obvious they were not there to support him. His own mother got up there and she would say until her dying day that she loved Brad. That's her only son. She loved him, but she also knew exactly what kind of person he was, and she wasn't afraid about telling people how he was. So his own mother got up on the stand and said about the times that he roughed her up and when he got bigger than her, or uh when he got bigger, and times that he had made the kids eat his own kids eat their dinner until they threw up. Like if they didn't finish their food, these little, little kids, he'd be like force feeding them until they throw up. Oh wow. Yeah. So Rosemary kept her seats. She was spilling the tea. Then his sister Susan, who he had tried to bribe, got on the stand and told the court the opposite of what he wanted her to do. Um, instead of telling how Brad um beat her up as a child and what a great mother Lonnie Ann was. So Susan's like, actually. Then the roommates he had tried to bribe got on the stand. The tides had turned against Brad, and Lonnie Ann was awarded custody and child support from Brad. Yes, girl. He was so mad when the judgment came that Brad turned red and passed out in the courtroom. Incredible. He lost his case. Um, you know, when he loses his case, Brad had no reason to be married to Cynthia anymore, and she filed for divorce in November 1979. Sorry. Awaiting her divorce finalization, Cynthia had to deal with Brad's bizarre behavior. Because one thing about Brad, he will drop women and be like, I'm moving on, but that doesn't mean you're like free of him ever. That's a huge point in this story. No one is ever free of Brad until he decides you're free of him. So this is his idea. I don't want to be married anymore. But he frequently would steal her cars and left them. He would just like leave them around the city. And then she would find them, bring them back to her house and walk inside. And Brad would be outside stealing the car again already. Oh my God. And she had to go to the cops like over and over again. She was like, I don't really want to press charges because look how bad it is with, you know, like we were married a couple years, kind of thing. I don't even know if it was a couple of years, but um, look how bad it's gonna be if I press charges. What a psycho. Yeah. And the cops were like, I guess we'll drive you to get your car. Like, we don't know what to do. So insane. And it's not like it's a house lock where you can just change the lock. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

So I'm sure there's a way, but it's probably pretty involved.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So anyway, so he does this for a while, but finally, thank God their divorce was finalized in March of 1970. And Cynthia tried to put the whole thing behind her. Brad, though, was already ready to get married again. He had begun seeing Lauren Swanson during the divorce from Cynthia, and the pretty petite blonde school teacher's heart went out to Brad as he rattled on about losing his children to that whore of their mother. He was like, She's such a slut. She's just a prostitute, which is kind of his favorite thing to say about women. We'll see that he it doesn't matter what these women, how upstanding they are. He always applies that to them. And everyone around them is like, He'll be like, Did you see the way she dressed? Yeah. So um, so when he signed the divorce papers in March from Cynthia, he signed his marriage license to Lauren just a week later. Oh my gosh. Yeah, he moves. Lauren was pregnant by summertime, and both her and Brad were ecstatic. They were going to have a family of their own to rebuild after Brad had his children unfairly taken away.

SPEAKER_01

So this is wife three, possibly kid number four.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. Okay. Yep. Yep. You're doing great. The summer of 1977 was a good one for Brad and Lauren. Brad was soaring to new heights in his real estate and construction career, even opening his own office as he rose in the world of real estate developments. Like during this part time period, he is on his way up. Like self-made. He's dabbling in real estate. He wants to build buildings.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, because so far he's gone from a bouncer strip club to insurance.

SPEAKER_00

Yep. Mm-hmm. And now he is, yep. So, and they're in Seattle at this time. I didn't say that in the beginning, but he grew up in Buren, which I think is a suburb of Seattle. And he they're living in Seattle right now. So things are looking up. He is actually doing really well. Um, they had great friends and also all often double dated with another, although they hung out with Lauren's old friend from college, Cheryl, and her husband, Dan, the most. So they were kind of really good friend group. Cheryl had just entered law school in the fall of 1977, and her and Dan were having trouble with the finances, just trying to get her through school and everything. And Brad offered Cheryl a part-time job as an assistant with his real estate firm that her hours were flexible. It could work with her law school schedule. Um, it would help Cheryl and Dan, you know, make ends meet. And Cheryl readily accepted. She was, please, please, yes. Brad and Lauren held a pre-Thanksgiving party at their house that year. And Lauren was in the kitchen restocking the appetizers when Dan, Cheryl's husband, followed her into the kitchen and shut the door behind him. Lauren turned cheerfully to her friend and saw Dan looked grim, and then he started telling her about the affair their spouses were having together.

SPEAKER_01

Oh, okay. For some reason, I thought he was gonna rape her. I don't know. So I'm glad that I didn't know that's reading it.

SPEAKER_00

I was like a little sinister. My bad. Um, yeah. So Lauren sat stunned by everything Dan was telling her. It couldn't be. Brad had encouraged her to end her teaching contract at Christmas break. Something that if she did, it wasn't like um you can just come back after maternity leave. Like she ended her contract, and Brad told her and encouraged her to do that. And they had even just bought a new condo that they would be moving into after the holidays. And she was five months pregnant with his baby. So Lauren's like, none of this can be happening. Like, Dan, you're seeing things, you know. Lauren left the conversation with Dan and returned to the party with a fake smile planted on her face. And when the final guest finally left, Lauren asked Brad the truth. Was he having an affair? Brad said, Of course not. I would never do that. Dan's just a shit talker and a toolmaker, and sad that he and Cheryl are having their own problems and he made all that up just to bring misery to somebody else. Lauren tried hard to believe him and would reassure herself often that Brad would not be having an affair when he encouraged her to quit her job and they put money on a new house. She's like, it doesn't add up. Who's gonna do that? I know, Lauren. As Lauren and Brad packed boxes one afternoon, a couple weeks later in December, Brad stood up and told Lauren that she would be moving into the new condo alone. Brad would be moving in with Cheryl. He went to say, he went on to say that everything Dan had told her was true and he didn't love her anymore, and he was in love with Cheryl, and Cheryl had also left Dan. Why wait? I have no idea. What was the point of that? I have no idea.

SPEAKER_01

Like when he got caught, why didn't that just come close?

SPEAKER_00

It was seriously like three weeks at most later that he Yeah, so Lauren stood stunned in their once happy home as Brad left that day and never returned. Through the pain of having her husband walk out uh to be with one of her oldest friends, Lauren and Cheryl were like uh sorority sisters in college. Like they had been friends for quite a while at this point. Lauren had one thought that gave her relief. If Brad had abandoned her, then he had abandoned their child and she would be rid of him after the divorce was finalized. But as with every other woman who had married Brad, Lauren was very wrong. Brad filed for custody of the still unborn child in Lauren's body like a week after he left.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

As the last months of Lauren's pregnancy went on, Brad fought with her about everything in the divorce settlement, demanding furniture that had been in her family for generations. Like he's literally bickering over rugs and armor, like just every single day, I guess, bombarding her with shit. As the end of March approached, Lauren neared her due date, and the only way she'd be able to get um to the hospital was to call someone for help because she's living alone with no money and super pregnant. So naturally, Brad had her phone line disconnected the weekend of her due date. Oh my God. This man is the worst. Um, thankfully, when she went to labor, Lauren was able to drive herself to the hospital and she gave birth to a baby girl. And one day after delivery, Lauren got a phone call from Brad in the hospital. He said, I understand we have a daughter. Lauren answered yes, and Brad responded with, I've had your car repossessed. The car that she drove to the hospital. She has her way to get home now.

SPEAKER_01

Douchebag. Yes. Even not being a serial killer.

SPEAKER_00

She is the biggest douchebag. Oh, Lauren, fresh off of giving birth, had no rest as she went into court shortly after the divorce and um after giving birth for her divorce and child custody hearing. She thought it would be obvious to the court that Brad should have no visitation with their daughter as he had abandoned them both. Like she is like that should be obvious to everyone. She didn't even really point it out because she was like, when the evidence gets presented, it'll be so obvious that I don't have to make a stink about it. But apparently it wasn't obvious. And the judge saw everything very different and set up a rigid visitation schedule for their daughter where Brad would see his new daughter um often. Uh Lauren, against her best effort, would be terrorized for uh by Brad for a few more years to come, as she was sure she'd never see her daughter again whenever Brad took her for a visit. Like, and it was, it just started out like he'd have her for like an hour one day on the weekends. And Lauren said in this book, like, I don't even know what's he doing. Like, you know, like is does he just make this big stink? And then when he sees her, she just sits in her car seat for the hour. And when his time's up, he's like, Yeah, I fucked with Lauren at least, you know. So she's like, I can't imagine what he's doing with this infant, you know. Like, why do you need this rigid schedule right now and stuff? So, anyways, uh, I truly don't know how he had the energy, but Brad once again got married to Cheryl in March of 1979, almost exactly two years after he had married Lauren, like the same week. And the Sism that turns up dead.

SPEAKER_01

Uh-huh. Yeah. I'm not gonna say she deserved it, but it wasn't cool. I was gonna say, out of all of them so far.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Cheryl was two months along with the couple's first child by then, and she had just started her career as a lawyer. If there had ever been a honeymoon period in her relationship with Brad, it was long over by the time they said their vows. And the entirety of Cheryl's marriage to Brad had her thinking over and over, things will get better. Like that is m mostly the honeymoon period is when they were having an affair.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, absolutely. And marrying other people.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. And so, um, you know, from the time they get married, probably from the time, you know, six months into it, all she could think is things are gonna get better. And that was a running theme. She, they never would get better, and they would get worse and worse and worse for Cheryl. Brad was often quick-tempered and hard-headed. One example was when Cheryl um and he were sailing with Cheryl's little sister. Um, her name's Susan. Cheryl, who was a very experienced sailor, tried to give Brad a pointer, just one like little tiny thing. And Brad became irate and drop dropped the anchor in the middle of a busy shipping lane as the sun set. So there are like tankers going through this area. And Brad's like, How dare you talk to me like that, Cheryl? Yeah. So Brad just listened as Cheryl and Susan, Cheryl's little sister, cried. Sure, they were about to be chopped in half when a freighter ship came through and didn't see them in the dark. Finally, after hours, Brad relented and moved the boat. But he's a psychopath, yeah. The couple's first child was born, a son named Jess, in October 1979, and it became apparent pretty quickly that Cheryl would be essentially a married single mother. Brad was really good at making kids, but not helping with kids.

SPEAKER_01

Uh by I'm shocked and I'm so surprised that she was just absolutely blindsided by this, considering what he did to his previous wife and her best friend. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So Anne Rule does write in her book. Like, I bet Cheryl was a little worried while she was pregnant and not able to enjoy that time because of what he saw, what she saw him do to her friend while she was pregnant. You know, like, oh my God. So um, by 1981, Brad was traveling near constantly as he looked for areas that would be right for real estate development. After doing market research, I think he was on business trips, just like fucking women wherever you went, kind of thing, but Brad decided that Houston, Texas, was the next boomtown and announced that the family was moving there after securing a multimillion dollar loan from a bank in Seattle to build office buildings. Cheryl hated to leave Seattle, her job and her OB because she was about to have her second child when they moved to Houston in September 1981. And Michael Cunningham was born shortly after their arrival in Texas. Almost immediately after Michael arrived, the Seattle Bank pulled funding for Brad's big project, and they were saddled with a multi-million dollar loan bill that was due.

SPEAKER_01

Dang. Brad, who always saw himself as six kids now, though. I'm just curious.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So we have Kate and Brent. Amy is by Lauren and five. And then the two boys. Oh, yeah. And then there's the possible Catholic high school baby. Yeah. The mono baby. Um yeah, so Brad had always seen himself as destined for greatness. Um, he tried to get as much built as he could before going bankrupt. And as the months pass and the family was harder and harder up financially, Brad and Cheryl decided she would go back with the boys to return to Seattle and she'd go back to work as a lawyer and try to keep them afloat. Like, we gotta do something. Cheryl and the boys returned to Seattle in September of 1982, and Brad stayed behind in Houston to fail at his big project, fuck his secretary, and spend all of Cheryl's money. So she's up there just trying to like feed her kids. And yeah, so Cheryl went back to work, the boys went to daycare, and each night Cheryl would talk constantly to them about their dad, and she would show them on a map where he was and how he was working hard for their family. Cheryl.

SPEAKER_01

In the meantime, he was training her bank account.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, and fucking his secretary. Like, okay. Yeah, so what he was actually doing doing during this time was horribly abusing his daughter Kate from his first marriage from Lonnie Ann. Sometime in 1982, when Brad was in Seattle visiting Cheryl and the boys, he had taken Kate out to dinner, but as he drove her back to her grandparents' house where she had been staying, he missed the turn to drop her off and informed her that she was coming to live with him. So Brad and Kate returned to Houston shortly after, and Kate would have the longest and most horrific year of her life there living with her father. How old is Kate now? Kate's 12. Okay. 12. Keep that in mind when you hear the shit that this man does. Kate was not allowed to curl her hair, wear makeup, and Brad would frequently take away her clothes when he was mad at her. Kate, confused and unsure why he was even mad, because I think he's going through a lot of stress because of a stupid idea to build stuff in Houston, and he would just snap and take it on Kate, and she would never have any idea why he was mad. Um she would have to go to school in what she called her bummy clothes. She's like, The real clothes that you look paint in.

SPEAKER_01

I wear that all the time. I know.

SPEAKER_00

I was like, that sounds like my wardrobe. Uh um, she went out for track and did very well, but each time she brought home a medal or ribbon to show Brad, he would take her from her. He'd be like, um, he would also take away any of her prized possessions. Like, he didn't celebrate her at all or anything she had achieved in this complete upheaval of her life in new school. He would take away her medals and trophies. So weird. And if there was anything she really loved in her room, he would take that away from her when she was angry. Again, Kate would usually not know why he was mad or what she had done. She had no idea. Like, what? I think that like how was he just able to just to tiger and yeah, and it's really unclear in the book because Kate would call Lonnie Ann like crying all the time. Like daily, she'd call her from school, and Lonnie Ann told Ann Rule, like, there was nothing I could do. And I just don't understand that. Like, there's court systems, like you won custody from this man. Yeah. I know it was 10 years ago, but you won custody, so he's breaking some sort of rule. Yeah, I have no idea, but it's sickening. So, in an eerie turn of events that hearkened back to time to a time when her own mother lived under Brad's thumb, Kate had to keep her father appraised of her every move. She had to call him as soon as she got home. And if he called the house and she didn't answer, just like her mother, Kate would have hell to pay. Brad would scream at Kate, telling her she was just garbage and stupid, and would turn out to be nothing but a whore, just like her own mother. Dang. The woman he knocked up in high school. Like, what? He would obsess over his belief that Kate was sleeping with boys. She was 12. He'd still accuse her after she'd deny everything, and he'd go on long litanies about all of his sexual conquests, because that was appropriate things to talk about with your 12-year-old daughter. Um, things came to a head as Kate was close to finishing her eighth grade year in Houston. Brad was all but insane with stress from the real estate venture that was going bankrupt any day. And for some reason that Kate never knew, Brad flew into a rage one evening and started screaming and emptying out her closet of all of her nice clothes. He left the room and returned with a moving box still folded flat and chucked it at her like a frisbee, and it hit her in the mouth and it gave her a swollen lip and a bruise on her face. As he continued to shout, he told her to pack up her clothes. I am sure somewhere deep inside came Kate made have hoped that he was going to take her home to her mother, but there would be no such luck. Once her clothes were packed, Brad sneered and told this tiny 12-year-old daughter child to take her clothes down the stairs of the apartment building and then put the box in one of those huge dumpsters. Yeah. Kate, very again, very small girl, could barely lift the box of clothes over her head as she sobbed and tried to get the clothes in the dumpster. And a neighbor saw she was struggling and came over to help. But before the words were barely out of his mouth saying, Like, can I help you? Brad was rushing over and telling the man to get away from Kate and to not help her. If you see something, say something. Kate had been so close to being able to attend her eighth grade graduation with her peers. But after Brad made her throw away all of her clothes and she was only left with her bummy clothes, along with a split lip and a bruised face, she did not even finish the school year. Like we're right at the end. And she's like, I didn't even go back. Yeah. Mercifully, about a week later, Brad abandoned his folly in Houston and he and Kate drove to the northwest towards Seattle. For some reason, he just left Kate in Yakima and told her to get a hold of her mom, abandoning her there to figure it out as he went towards Seattle and to Cheryl. The fuck? Yeah. He's so completely psycho. He is. He I don't know how he has the energy, but I think these people really get their rocks off by doing this stuff. And I'm like, could not be bothered to be this mean.

SPEAKER_01

See, and I'm thinking also, like, if he just basically took her out of Washington, it was like, we're going here, like, she didn't have time to pack up her clothes. So he had bought her all those clothes. Yes. And that was always his thing.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Throw them away. He'd be like, Those are my clothes. You take those clothes off. You know, like he's insane. None of it even makes sense. His meanness doesn't even make sense. Like, no, it doesn't. As Brad returned to Seattle in June of 1983, Cheryl had been keeping the home fires burning for him while he was gone. And she truly seemed like a superhuman when one hears about all that she did. Like Cheryl was doing everything. She had essentially been a single parent of two very small boys, always showing them on a map where their father currently was and talking about Brad constantly so the young boys wouldn't forget their father. She was busy from sunup to sundown, getting herself and the boys ready, dropping them off at sitters, going to her job as an attorney. Where other attorneys who worked with her would later say she was one of the best litter gators in the firm's history without one ounce of exaggeration. They said that she was incredible at her job. She was made to be an attorney, and she that none of these people had any idea what her home life was. Like, yeah, she really was professional and very good at what she did. So Cheryl was killing it in her career and as a mom, ending each one of her days by picking up her boys and spending all evening making sure they were well fed, clean, happy, and secure. With Cheryl showing the world what a baddie she was at the home and in her career, it was no wonder that when Brad returned from Houston, having catastrophically failed at his big business ideas, he went right for Cheryl to make himself feel better. He was super mean to her. After Brad's return, they had a babysitter who quit only a couple months after he, you know, got back. As she was so uncomfortable due to Brad's constant accusations that Cheryl had been having um affairs while he was gone and was still now that he was back. Which it's yeah, it's obvious that Brad's jealousy was rampant over Cheryl's success, and he went right for Cheryl's figurative jugular any chance he got. Um, and it's just I can't even imagine how she'd have time to have an affair like this woman is.

SPEAKER_01

Yeah. Like holding down the fort and everything. And she's gotta be able to see that. Hey, I can do this without him.

SPEAKER_00

Right. And I think she just I feel like maybe she was punishing herself. She knew what she had done to Lauren, and she was like, This is my bed. You know, I made my bed, I need to lay in it. So I really think that's what it came back to all the time. And then, well, in the beginning, and then I think she got so afraid. So we'll see a little bit of that. So Brad was ill-tempered and hard to be around since returning. Um, but even though he constantly berated Cheryl about everything she was doing wrong, he still managed to get her pregnant for a third time and spend her money like it was going out of style. When Cheryl got up the courage to say something to Brad about his constant spending, he would turn on her enraged that she had the audacity to talk to him about money. He's like, How fucking dare you? Cheryl was constantly kept off balance and starting to become afraid of Brad. Not longer after he returned home from Houston, Cheryl returned one day to find that Brad had moved out and taken anything of value. The only thing that was left behind was their bed and the children's toys. Then he'd move back in. Then he'd be traveling and spending time in Yakima. And then once he'd then he'd be back home with Cheryl and the boys.

SPEAKER_01

Like when he moved out and took all the stuff. When he moved back, would he bring all the stuff back? I don't know. I just buy all like new stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Then you're like, I can't get it back now. Yeah. Probably him. Like, we needed everything new to wipe the slate clean of what a piece of shit is.

SPEAKER_01

Was Cheryl aware of what he did to his daughter? Do you think? No, no, she had no idea.

SPEAKER_00

No, I don't think Cheryl and Kate ever saw each other again because by the time Kate got down there, Cheryl was back in Seattle. And then Kate was like, I didn't see that man again. So I guess Kate is beautiful and even a model after when she got into her 20s. She was a model. So yeah, I get I haven't even tried to look her up because again, that's not her real name. But anyway, so yeah, he's just really keeping her off balance. One thing was um for certain though, even when he was in their lives, Brad can never be alive relied on to care for his own children. Cheryl still had to pay expensive babysitter costs out of her dwindling accounts, and she always had to walk on eggshells when he was home. Any little thing could set off Brad, and the calmness Cheryl always tried to provide for her boys would disappear in an instant. It was just a powder keg, I guess. Cheryl continued to be kept off balance by Brad, who now frequently spent most of his time in Yakima, leaving the increasingly pregnant to take care of the boys. In November 1983, one week before she delivered her third child, another son, Cheryl had dinner with a friend who implored Cheryl to get out of her marriage. Her friend was like, please, please, please. Cheryl shook her head, told her friend, I cannot leave. If I even try to leave, he'll kill either the children. Or me, or all of us. Yeah. Like she was worried for the boys' safety. Kevin Neo. Yeah. So the arrival of the Cunningham's third child did not make things better between Brad and Cheryl. In 1984, 1984 would continue to be a year full of turmoil and uneasiness for Cheryl as she now had three young children to take care of, under five, as Brad gallivanted around, barely stopping to see his wife and the children. When he did show up, he raged, his temper not dwindling with the passage of time. Sometimes he would be away from the Seattle home for so long that Cheryl would change the locks. I don't really know if that was because she was mad at him and didn't want him to come back in, or Cheryl was very afraid to be living alone with these three children. So I don't know exactly why she was changing locks. But she did.

SPEAKER_01

And see, he's always gone. I feel like, girl, you had so much opportunity. Gone, get out of there.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, it's crazy. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Like she would have had a like with her job and stuff, which would have sucked. Because he just could have easily found her through the law firm.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Still, I just like. But yeah, you are an attorney and they have those everywhere. So um, yeah. So if he returned and the found the locks changed, he would bust through the windows, hauling his huge frame through the shattered window like a bear on a rampage, screaming and throwing things once he was in the house. On one of his visits, angered by Cheryl for something completely unknown, he removed the tires from her car so she could not drive to work. Sorry. A petty king.

SPEAKER_01

Um, work that was bank- sounds like something I would that's like laughing. Like noted. Not all four. That's a lot of work. Just two of them.

SPEAKER_00

Um work that was bankrolling his still, like him still, might I add. Like, why are you making it so she can't go to work? Where's your money coming from, homeboy? We'll see that over and over again. Just like I said, like he's not even smart with being mean. Like he he he injures himself sometimes with how awful he is. So um Brad had still not found employment since fleeing from Houston, and he insisted on driving Mercedes-Benz's and spent Cheryl's money just doing whatever the fuck he wanted. He had filed for bankruptcy after Houston. Um, but he must have been getting money somehow for starters, besides Cheryl. Um, for starters, he bought his father a gas station to run in Yakima, which Stanford ran into the ground. Uh they don't know how to run a gas station, you know. And so, um, and he was constantly buying heavy equipment and moving it on to the property he and Cheryl owned in Yakima. He would bleed her account dry, but then they still seem he would not have a shortage of money. I mean, it takes a lot of money to buy uh uh heavy equipment. An excavator. Yeah. Yeah, an excavator. Don't talk about it. Meanwhile, Cheryl herself often could not afford food for their children. Oh my god. Yes. And she often was out of money to even buy herself new underwear. Like Cheryl's mom had to buy her underwear one time. Cheryl's like 35, you know, because she didn't have any money. It's crazy. Cheryl, a shark in the courtroom, respected by those she worked with, was well, um, as well as those who were on the receiving end of her sharp tongue in the courtroom, was making about$54,000 a year in 1984, which would be about$172,000 a year in today's money. Yeah. And she didn't have enough to buy underwear. So just See, that's while he was gone. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

Change bank account, something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00

Like, I just feel like there was something in there that she was like, I dug this grave. Like, you know, which is really too bad. Like, you can say you made a mistake and changed course. You can do that.

SPEAKER_01

So I kind of feel bad that she fucked over her friend like she did and everything. And all that, but still, she doesn't deserve this. Yeah. I'm sorry for what I said earlier. She didn't. No one deserves that.

SPEAKER_00

She really, yeah, paid her dues on that one. So then in late 1984, Cheryl was thrown in what uh she had hoped to be a lifeline. Her law firm was expanding to Portland, and they wanted Cheryl to transfer there and be a full partner in the law firm. Sheepishly, I would have just moved. Just saying that, just putting it out there. Sheepishly, Cheryl brought up the move to Brad. She was hoping they could go together, one final chance at salvaging their family. And to her surprise, he agreed and even agreed to start looking for a job. So again, not what I would have done. But it was a different time, too. I know it doesn't sound that long ago, but 1985, different time. I don't know. So in January 1985, the Cunninghams rented a house in Gresham, a suburb of Portland. Cheryl started her new role role in the law firm, and Brad had actually secured a very good job, too. He would be the head of income property loan department for a big bank in Portland and was making great money. Not that Cheryl saw any of it. He did not put it into their household, like to pay for child care.

SPEAKER_01

Cherry spending his money plus Cheryl's on top of it.

SPEAKER_00

With both parents working, they quickly hired 19-year-old Marnie O'Connor as a nanny for the boys. The 37-year-old Brad was fucking her within a month. 19. Brad would go on to have no less than three affairs, often at the same time, or at least some overlapping by the fall of 1985. So they weren't even there a year yet. Cheryl never had a clue that her husband was the new town bicycle in Portland. Um, but that didn't mean she thought things were going well in the marriage. No, Cheryl knew by early spring that year, just you know, through four months after the move, that um this move that she had hoped would save her marriage had only made things worse. Like Cheryl was like, oh, yeah. Um and it was made worse, or it really ached Brad on because Cheryl had to travel north to Seattle frequently that spring and summer to wrap up big cases in Seattle, often having to stay the majority of a week or a whole week before she headed home to Portland on the weekends. When staying in Seattle, Cheryl stayed with her younger sister, Susan, and Susan had a front row seat to the incessant calls Brad would make to Cheryl while she was there. Um, it didn't matter that it was Cheryl's income that enabled Brad to live his life of luxury. He would scream into the phone about her always being gone for work and railed at her about the affairs he was sure she was having while she was away. Again, Brad during this period has a minimum.

SPEAKER_01

You would think he'd be happy that she was gone and just makes his little lifestyle his kids for the first babysit his own kids.

SPEAKER_00

Yes.

unknown

I hate that.

SPEAKER_01

That's so gross.

SPEAKER_00

When women are like, my husband's gonna babysit the kids. Um what? No. No, no, no, no. Yeah. So again, Brad has during this period a minimum of two side pieces at any given time, if not three at some points. Susan, frightened by the intensity of the phone screaming matches, watched as her already very like Cheryl was a thin woman, but she became frail and she was just wasting away to nothing. And she started, share Susan started to keep a journal of the fights she witnessed, always thinking back to how Cheryl always said she could not leave Brad because Brad would kill her. So Susan started doing some journaling about that. In the fall of 1985, Brad started playing his moving in and moving out games again. And then one day, Cheryl returned to the Gresham house to find that Brad had not only taken all of his stuff, this time he had taken all of hers. She says, What the fuck? Brad was finally done with Cheryl.

SPEAKER_01

He's like amazing at a psychological warfare.

SPEAKER_00

I know.

SPEAKER_01

Like that just it's a full-time job for him. Yes. That's just gotta be so exhausting. I know. Like I said, I I can I can see myself doing the tires. That's actually pretty fucking funny. But everything else, like I just don't have the energy to like, I'm gonna move out, but I'm gonna take everything.

SPEAKER_00

No, I would be like, You can handle this, right?

SPEAKER_01

Like, can you just maybe drop my stuff off to me? You totally would.

SPEAKER_00

You'd be like, I rented you a U-Haul. Yeah, so Brad was finally done with Cheryl. He no longer wanted her anymore, and he decided to show this in a very puzzling manner. He started a full campaign to slander, belittle, embarrass, and humiliate Cheryl to her co-workers, which is very, as I've said, biting the hand that feeds you. And we will still Brad never learns. It'll be a recurring theme. He often wants to hurt people so bad that he doesn't see that if he's successful, it'll actually hurt him. Like he does not think them through. So he's good at psychological warfare, but yeah. So which we see a prime example of as Brad took to calling the wives of Cheryl's co-workers at the law firm, telling them that Cheryl was sleeping with her husbands. Yes. Um, none of the women would believe it. In fact, one called Cheryl at work and was like, Hi, um, your husband called. And if you could just tell him a message for me that I don't ever want to talk to him again, that would be great. And Cheryl's like, What? What the fuck? What did he say? And she's like, Nothing, sweetie. Just tell him not to call here ever again. And Cheryl was like, I don't even know what the man said, but she was mortified, you know. Yeah. Well, he wouldn't just do that. He'd send faxes because it's 1995. I had to use a fax machine like one time in my life. I almost cried. I was so I I worked like I would help my mom at her at the you know, at her office sometimes. And so I was like, you just need to fax it. So I was like, we just need to fax it off. We do that, can't email the fucking idea. I would never be able to fax something. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01

I don't know if I ever did fax anything. I'm trying to think.

unknown

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And I feel like, you know, it's making noises, but I don't feel like it's the right loud noises. I don't know. Uh yeah. So he'd send faxes to both the Portland and Seattle firms filled with salacious accusations against Cheryl, saying she was a harlot and a prostitute at the on the weekends. He he would even like say what um truck stops. She was a lot lizard out. Um, and honestly, it didn't work because people would be like, oh, this doesn't seem important. No one would read them, they would just throw them away. But I think like somebody found one and was like, oh my god, Cheryl, you know. So um when those tactics didn't work, Brad would ask other partners in the firm if they wanted to go out for a drink. One man close to Cheryl, and one of the few who had closed, um, who had heard Cheryl, she finally like confided in this man with how bad things were, um, was baffled as to why Brad would want to go get a drink with him, but he went. Um, I would go. I'd be like, over here. I know.

SPEAKER_01

I was like, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00

A lot of things I've done in my life is like, um, I was curious. So Brad started the very cordial meeting by immediately going into a tirade about what a promiscuous woman Cheryl was, and how she'd given him STDs time and time again, and how the coworker was probably next on her list of conquests. You might want to watch yourself, man. Brad finally took a deep breath and then calmly asked the sung man, So how's the law firm doing? Followed up with an even classier question: How much money do you make?

SPEAKER_01

Who's he gonna marry him next?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, seriously. I'm sure he was just trying to find out like in exactly how much Cheryl was making, but he should have known that, but maybe not. So the coworker stood and left, as surprised Brad's sitting alone at the table with two unfinished drinks. Like, Brad was like, I can't believe that didn't work. He like was genuinely stunned that this cruel plan hadn't worked, and Cheryl was stunned too. Um, her coworker had called to let her know what Brad was up to and that she would never need to fear losing her job because of something Brad said. They all knew exactly what type of man he was. Cheryl, don't work, worry about it. Cheryl was thankful, but couldn't understand what the fuck Brad was playing at. Because if he succeeded in getting her fired, who would support him?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, exactly. God, what an idiot.

SPEAKER_00

And that is where we're going to stop for part one. I'll support you, Brad. Sound dreamy. By this time, Brad had had some plastic surgeries because he felt his jaw. So, one thing about Brad, he's part Coville Indian, you know, but he never wanted anyone to know that. But then he got, you know, like payments from the tribe and stuff and was able to buy land on the reservation because he's put so he would take all of the benefits, but he never would tell anyone that he was Colville. And he got plastic surgery on his chin because he felt it was too Indian. And then I think he had a nose job too. Like, I hate him. Oh my god, yeah. So um, yeah, please join us next week when we get to learn just how much more this douchebag can, you know.

SPEAKER_01

And hopefully by then I'll have my voice back.

SPEAKER_00

We're hoping. We're hoping. Fingers crossed. We are going to a rent fair though. So whoop whoop. Yeah, and she could just never be able to talk again here pretty soon. I keep making her talk. Uh as always, thank you so much for listening to Storyteller. Tell your friends and join us on Instagram at Storytellers.pod. Storyteller.pod. TikTok at Storyteller Pod. Facebook at Storyteller Podcast. Nailed it. And be sure to like, follow, comment, and download the podcast on Spotify, Apple, or wherever you get your podcasts. And we will see you guys soon. Thank you. Thank you.

SPEAKER_02

Bye.

SPEAKER_00

Don't go to jail. That's all. Right. There it is.

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